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Tattoo Member posted on Thursday, October 29, 2009 - 10:36 am
	Post Number: 66 Registered: 10-2009

Blues_Pirate on: Thursday, October 29, 2009 - 07:33 am, wrote:
I thought that since Rob took over the helm of this web site any information being posted had to do with NEGRIL only. What does Ochi have to do with Negril?
Just saying.

No mon! Read on you missed it top and bottom 39 dollar upgrade to negril. Robgod no needed here! (wink).

easton714 Member posted on Thursday, October 29, 2009 - 10:40 am
	Post Number: 263 Registered: 08-2008

Tattoo on: Thursday, October 29, 2009 - 09:33 am, wrote:
I agree with everything you have said. and for the quote I do believe this is a area of discussion that needs more attention on negril.com Many people start in the mega ai's and migrate thats what we did. maybe a thread or two would be in order about positive experiences in the Ai world would be nice.Thanks for the nudge.

Okay, but I still don't think you understand. My point has exactly nothing to do with the "style" or "type" or "quality" of vacation experience the megaresorts provide.

I never even mentioned it. I hope every single person that chooses to stay there has such a wonderful trip that they want to come back and try something else.

But that is not the point...at all. Not even close.

I simply and specifically outlined my disgust for how they came to be and what their existence has done to the Jamaican tourist economy.

If I was out of line or whatever, which is clearly the vibe I am getting here, I'll move on.

Tattoo Member posted on Thursday, October 29, 2009 - 10:42 am
	Post Number: 67 Registered: 10-2009

michael on: Thursday, October 29, 2009 - 08:58 am, wrote:
I don't see how you can say this isn't a recession thing. Occupancy rates are way down worldwide.

Again I agree. And the main focus is to get people to Negril.And I believe there are many that spends tons of money only in Ai's How bad would it really be if the ai's went away?.

easton714 Member posted on Thursday, October 29, 2009 - 10:50 am
	Post Number: 264 Registered: 08-2008

Tattoo on: Thursday, October 29, 2009 - 09:42 am, wrote:
Again I agree. And the main focus is to get people to Negril.And I believe there are many that spends tons of money only in Ai's How bad would it really be if the ai's went away?.

I don't understand the confusion.

I never said they should go away. I never even said they shouldn't have been built. I said their approval should have been more managed. There should have been basic oversight. They increased capacity faster than demand could EVER adjust accordingly. That is my entire point.

They certainly didn't need five new ones in two years or whatever. And how many more are on the way as we speak?

...and I also think they should have been required to fall the laws and such, give a damn about the environment, and treat their workers like human beings, but that is another topic. That should have been a simple requirement set forth by the government.

"I will approve this project IF..."

I don't think I need to fill in the blanks.

michael Member posted on Thursday, October 29, 2009 - 11:20 am
	Post Number: 447 Registered: 12-2008

........you seem pretty revved up this morning. Relax, look it's 4:20 somewhere right now........

Tattoo Member posted on Thursday, October 29, 2009 - 11:20 am
	Post Number: 69 Registered: 10-2009

easton714 on: Thursday, October 29, 2009 - 09:40 am, wrote:
If I was out of line or whatever, which is clearly the vibe I am getting here, I'll move on.

Please understand your passionate about this. Cause you love and care about negril and Jamaica. You can never be outta line with me when you are the way you are. Mucho respect to you and thank you for helping to educate me on something we both care a great deal about. SO if you need to stay and get it all out then do so. Man I want more! is that all you got !! LOL. I am going for a beer be right back!!! lol. Peace mi friend.

michael Member posted on Thursday, October 29, 2009 - 11:30 am
	Post Number: 448 Registered: 12-2008

.........Jamaica.....obviously, has to do more to fill up the rooms.

maybe they should promote the hell out of "the Bolt and try to get the Olympics or something.........maybe a huge boxing match.......Ali-Frazier IV would be something wouldn't it ?

Buff Member posted on Thursday, October 29, 2009 - 04:53 pm
	Post Number: 121 Registered: 06-2009

I have found a fatastic deal to Riu Tropical from UK with flight less than �900 for 2 weeks.

It has always being around �1600 since the big refurb.

Wonder what this is all about !!

wit Member posted on Thursday, October 29, 2009 - 05:06 pm
	Post Number: 539 Registered: 12-2008

respect to you and your passion EAston...if only more would be so enlightened. :-)

We make a Living by what we get, We make a Life by what we give.

Buff Member posted on Thursday, October 29, 2009 - 05:09 pm
	Post Number: 122 Registered: 06-2009

Easton...

Grand Palladium - "5 star" - magazine ads, brand name, etc. - $1700
Point Village - $1700
Merrils II - $1540

All our stay have been at PV as AI but we leave the resort daily, either on a tour and very rarly do we leave on an evening to various bars

This in my opinion is why PV is falling down the same as many other smaller places. No UK tour operator had PV in their brochures but are pushing the Riu's and the new mega A/Is

Just my opinion but I really do feel for the smaller resorts that just cant compete, but most people are going to go with the best deal especially if its at one of the swish AI's

jon c. Member posted on Thursday, October 29, 2009 - 05:28 pm
	Post Number: 21 Registered: 04-2009

People will go with the best deal for sure, but my inclination toward an AI would be only for the deal. I'd certainly much rather go to a smaller resort.

(The Grand Palladium, btw, is sort of amazing to me as it looks so sterile and unappealing I can't imagine anyone wanting to stay there.)

Buff Member posted on Thursday, October 29, 2009 - 05:58 pm
	Post Number: 123 Registered: 06-2009

Sorry my above post should read rarely do we stay at the hotel on an evening, chosing to get out to the bars either on the beach or cliffs.

Jon, some people just see the glamour of these places and if the deals right people will book. Im of the opinion that many people who stay at the mega AI's rarely leave the resort. If so maybe to do a tour- Dunns River/dolpin cove etc.

wyth Member posted on Thursday, October 29, 2009 - 06:32 pm
	Post Number: 627 Registered: 11-2008

Buff on: Thursday, October 29, 2009 - 03:53 pm, wrote:
I have found a fatastic deal to Riu Tropical from UK with flight less than �900 for 2 weeks.

It has always being around �1600 since the big refurb.

Wonder what this is all about !!

OMG Buff how cheap is that????

You can�t change the past, but you can ruin the present by worrying about the future

Buff Member posted on Thursday, October 29, 2009 - 06:45 pm
	Post Number: 124 Registered: 06-2009

Thats what I thought Wyth....I had to check twice and for the Tropical too !!!!

how great is it that you get to go for a long stay....even if it is a result of redundancy. I was made redundant last year, then after a year got a job back at my old company so things have a way of working out ...lol just wish I would have thought of spending longer in Ja while I was off work

Yardie Member posted on Thursday, October 29, 2009 - 07:45 pm
	Post Number: 3299 Registered: 06-2006

easton714 on: Thursday, October 29, 2009 - 09:40 am, wrote:
what their existence has done to the Jamaican tourist economy

On the other hand, they do provide thousands of jobs.

"When you help someone expect nothing in return, you will receive your reward ten times over"

CharlesJAB Member posted on Thursday, October 29, 2009 - 08:44 pm
	Post Number: 101 Registered: 08-2009

I've been scratching my head about this article for a month now.

"According to industry sources, Jamaica could support 50,000 hotel rooms, some 20,000 more than the current total inventory."

http://www.jamaicaobserver.com/magazines/Business/html/20090905T210000-0500_1590 14_OBS_TO_MAXIMISE_OR_TO_RATIONALISE_JAMAICA_S_HOTEL_ROOM_INVENTORY__THAT_IS_THE _QUESTION.asp

Tattoo Member posted on Friday, October 30, 2009 - 01:06 am
	Post Number: 86 Registered: 10-2009

wit on: Thursday, October 29, 2009 - 04:06 pm, wrote:
respect to you and your passion EAston...if only more would be so enlightened. C

I second that .

wyth Member posted on Friday, October 30, 2009 - 05:01 am
	Post Number: 628 Registered: 11-2008

Buff on: Thursday, October 29, 2009 - 05:45 pm, wrote:
Thats what I thought Wyth....I had to check twice and for the Tropical too !!!!

how great is it that you get to go for a long stay....even if it is a result of redundancy. I was made redundant last year, then after a year got a job back at my old company so things have a way of working out ...lol just wish I would have thought of spending longer in Ja while I was off work

I know its a great deal.....So looking forward to my long stay so i can be with my other half :-)

You can�t change the past, but you can ruin the present by worrying about the future

easton714 Member posted on Friday, October 30, 2009 - 08:48 am
	Post Number: 266 Registered: 08-2008

Yardie on: Thursday, October 29, 2009 - 06:45 pm, wrote:
On the other hand, they do provide thousands of jobs.

At what cost?

You cannot have a cost-benefit analysis without considering the costs.

Jah Lion Member posted on Friday, October 30, 2009 - 09:14 am
	Post Number: 126 Registered: 09-2009

Lets step into Reality! Jamaicans dont care about the economics university theories, they are concerned with putting food on table, paying current bill, rent, school fees, etc! And the JA gov, isnt going to turn down construction jobs! So yes in a perfect world, NO AI's and all local substainable, ITAL(not organic) farms, BUT thats not real, so the best ting is to let the AI people know, Its safe and you will really enjoy ALL of the ISLAND, and not listen when the AI's say, dont leave its dangerous out der!

Tattoo Member posted on Tuesday, November 03, 2009 - 11:56 pm
	Post Number: 98 Registered: 10-2009

Jah Lion on: Friday, October 30, 2009 - 08:14 am, wrote:
so the best ting is to let the AI people know, Its safe and you will really enjoy ALL of the ISLAND,

Wisdom More wisdom please I Like!.

jessa Member posted on Wednesday, November 04, 2009 - 12:55 am
	Post Number: 1520 Registered: 05-2009

Easton you are so spot on. The Negril I fell in love with is not the one that is heavily discounted and advertised, the monstrosities that break laws and cause environmental damage. The Negril I fell in love with though I never would have had the chance to get to know if not for the peopl on Trip Advisor and then this forum as well. The only thing I can do is get the word out. I went to pay bils today and chatted up two people about my upcoming trip and how great Negril is, giving them some websites to check out, and one lady was very excited about what I was telling her because she was wanting to take a vacation with her boyfriend in the next few months.

Sometimes even if it is somethig as small as word of mouth, at least that can be done,and who knows, it might make a difference to at least a few people.

http://norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=5801

Expert Member posted on Wednesday, November 04, 2009 - 11:18 am
	Post Number: 390 Registered: 03-2008

Easton maybe the Government of Jamaica should hire you to get the country out of debt and make it a better place! No one before probably has thought to change the approval process BEFORE the permits are approved nor done a cost benefit analyis.

Please it really does need a fresh mind.

Tattoo Member posted on Thursday, November 05, 2009 - 12:16 pm
	Post Number: 103 Registered: 10-2009

jessa on: Wednesday, November 04, 2009 - 12:55 am, wrote:
one lady was very excited about what I was telling her

Jessa, I too tell people about negril. Some time and time again. And it some times seems they get tired of hearing it. So I really do think the Term once you go you know applies. Word of mouth really is a great instrument in the dynamic's of recruitment. peace.

Dbl V Member posted on Saturday, November 07, 2009 - 12:23 am
	Post Number: 93 Registered: 07-2006

AI or a smaller establishment � to each their own. As long as they�re vacationing in Jamaica and spending money there! They could be vacationing somewhere else�

michael Member posted on Saturday, November 07, 2009 - 09:24 am
	Post Number: 456 Registered: 12-2008

..Walmart is so great for wages....lol Maybe Jamaica could open a few so their workers can get fair wages without unions , and a concerned corporation, just like in the U.S.!